Please move here with the public discussion about OC MPMM, the video and what it means for you, and leave the original thread for development related posts.
kthxbai!

Edit: new name.

I have removed the video from public view at my YouTube acct.--at least I hope so.
(I don't mind if someone has archived it and wants to link to their copy...)

[quote][cite] alsetalokin:[/cite]I have removed the video from public view at my YouTube acct.--at least I hope so.
(I don't mind if someone has archived it and wants to link to their copy...)[/quote]

Why?

IMO, the behaviour (so far) is interesting but not proof (or disproof) of anything. What are you worried about?

If someone could please post the video so I could download it I would appreciate it. I was looking for a "download videos from youtube" site when he took it down.

By the way, congrats alsetalokin on an amazing device!

pcstru4:

alsetalokin:I have removed the video from public view at my YouTube acct.--at least I hope so.
(I don't mind if someone has archived it and wants to link to their copy...)

Why?

IMO, the behaviour (so far) is interesting but not proof (or disproof) of anything. What are you worried about?

In my opinion his device is very significant.

1) It's only utilizing permanent magnets.

2) It's not only staying in motion but ACCELERATING.

I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device with an external magnetic field. I think this device is awesome.

Damn I only got to watch it once halfway through. If someone could repost it somewhere that would be great.

Ok, with author's content, you can download the original video here - it's a Flash video file, ~7 MB big.

[quote][cite] babcat:[/cite][quote][cite] pcstru4:[/cite][quote][cite] alsetalokin:[/cite]I have removed the video from public view at my YouTube acct.--at least I hope so.
(I don't mind if someone has archived it and wants to link to their copy...)[/quote]

Why?

IMO, the behaviour (so far) is interesting but not proof (or disproof) of anything. What are you worried about?[/quote]

In my opinion his device is very significant.

1) It's only utilizing permanent magnets.

2) It's not only staying in motion but ACCELERATING.

I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device with an external magnetic field. I think this device is awesome.[/quote]I agree that I don't think he is [i]purposefully[/i] accelerating it with any kind of external field.

[quote][cite] /:[/cite]Ok, with author's consent, you can download the original video [url=http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/JVMJOoEQ6_A.flv]here[/url] - it's a Flash video file, ~7 MB big.[/quote]
I hope this isn't all part of an extended Czech Dream.

Evolve,

It would take a very strong external field for him to make it accelerate like that.

I'm never able to open those. I just tried to download it and open it with firefox and nothing happened. Could you convert it to a windows media file?

[quote][cite] /:[/cite]Ok, with author's content, you can download the original video [url=http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/JVMJOoEQ6_A.flv]here[/url] - it's a Flash video file, ~7 MB big.[/quote]

Cool stuff. Would it be ok for me to re-upload this to YouTube?

@babcat - 'I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device'

While you're here, d'you mind running down to the hardware store for me and picking up some tartan paint, a left-handed screwdriver, and a long stand?

If it is ok with the author I think it would be great to upload it to youtube.

zeropointone:@babcat - 'I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device'

While you're here, d'you mind running down to the hardware store for me and picking up some tartan paint, a left-handed screwdriver, and a long stand?

What are you trying to say?

Amazing video!

Grimer:I hope this isn't all part of an extended Czech Dream.

It's up to everyone to believe or not what is on teh Internets, that's for sure. Nevertheless, after watching Steorns "nothing" for an year, this is definitely a good entertainment, from whatever side you look at it.

(Btw, I still can't quite get why the Czech Dream has so bad publicity here. If there is one thing I regret, it's that it was shot quite near the place I was living back then, I actually got their leaflet in my postbox, but I threw it off as "yet another discount store", instead of going there to see everything with my own eyes.)

[quote][cite] babcat:[/cite][quote][cite] pcstru4:[/cite][quote][cite] alsetalokin:[/cite]I have removed the video from public view at my YouTube acct.--at least I hope so.
(I don't mind if someone has archived it and wants to link to their copy...)[/quote]

Why?

IMO, the behaviour (so far) is interesting but not proof (or disproof) of anything. What are you worried about?[/quote]

In my opinion his device is very significant.

1) It's only utilizing permanent magnets.

2) It's not only staying in motion but ACCELERATING.

I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device with an external magnetic field. I think this device is awesome.[/quote]

As far as I could make out, it was the little rotor that was accelerating, not both rotors.

It looked to me like both the rotating stator magnet and the roter (larger central, holding 8 magnets) were accelerating, but I could be wrong.

If you followed the original threads, it has been stated that both parts accelerate when the two stator magnets are stopped. The remaining stator magnet only rotates at 4x higher speed than the rotor.

Wow, I haven't posted since the big demo flop, but I've been checking the forum occasionally, and this is some exciting stuff. Good work, guys.

Jesus, that thing is going scary fast. It is so cool listening to it go faster when he stops the two little magnets. After seeing this video all I can really say is.........wow.

[quote][cite] Evolvealready:[/cite]It looked to me like both the rotating stator magnet and the roter (larger central, holding 8 magnets) were accelerating, but I could be wrong.[/quote]
As "/" says. Here's a bit from the main thread...

[quote]...I have already given the relevant dimensions in an earlier post. So, hypothetically speaking if I were to get the rotor spinning at, say, 400 rpm by spinning it by hand; then quickly spin a stator magnet in the same direction by flipping it with a finger, could there be some resonant alignment of the fields that would make it "catch hold" and continue spinning at 1600 rpm (4 x rotor rpm), both rotor and stator magnet going clockwise?
Now suppose this relationship continued locked in phase as the assembly gradually accelerates until reaching a maximum measured rpm of 1904 rpm for the rotor, and 7633 rpm for the stator magnet, both rotating clockwise...[/quote]
[url=http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=5#Item_42]ref here[/url]

Ok, here's the YouTube repost, for those of you who care.

[quote][cite] /:[/cite][quote][cite] Grimer:[/cite]I hope this isn't all part of an extended Czech Dream. [/quote]It's up to everyone to believe or not what is on the Internets, that's for sure. Nevertheless, after watching Steorn's "nothing" for an year, this is definitely a good entertainment, from whatever side you look at it.

(Btw, I still can't quite get why the Czech Dream has so bad publicity here. If there is one thing I regret, it's that it was shot quite near the place I was living back then, I actually got their leaflet in my postbox, but I threw it off as "yet another discount store", instead of going there to see everything with my own eyes.)[/quote]

If it were an extended Czech Dream then OC and Al would have to be in on it.
It's just that you turning up at this crucial moment and being from the Czech Republic and having a copy of the video to hand does seem a bit suspicious.

As for the Czech Dream getting bad publicity, I doubt if the forum would have ever heard of it if someone from Holland hadn't tipped them off.

Interestingly enough I bought a copy of the Czech Dream. I eventually sent it to Shaun with my compliments.

But I agree, if it is an extended Czech Dream (or even and OverConfident Dream) it is indeed good entertainment. It's a pity RB has somewhat stolen the thunder though.

Speccy:...
Cool stuff. Would it be ok for me to re-upload this to YouTube?

Hope you do, I couldn't see any of the versions mentioned...

@babcat - 'What are you trying to say?'

sorry babs, couldn't resist, didn't mean to be rude.

/:Ok, here's the YouTube repost, for those of you who care.

Hooray ! Thank you.

Oh, My Gods ! History in the making, groovy, baby !

[quote][cite] /:[/cite]Ok, here's [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI]the YouTube repost[/url], for those of you who care.[/quote]

Just beat me to it :-) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJCAuPoaluk[/url]

@babcat, @jointhefun

VLC free video player will play those .flv files in windows and linux.

Some response from Steorn would be appropriate now, you think ? This being their forum...

Gonna watch it again.

Speccy:Just beat me to it :-)

Yep, I have bought a paid YouTube subscription for faster video processing. It was a bargain together with blue ICQ icon and 11 GMail invites for only $49.

@blue
I did follow the original posts. I was responding to pcstru4 with what I was able to actually see. But thanks!

Actually, I was wondering more what someone like DrMike would have to say about this? Anyone care to get in touch with him? He was very helpful in helping me get things sorted out in my own mind, back in the early pre-demo days. I'd like to hear what he has to say now.

Alestalokin, you think you could move the device somewhere with a brighter light source and take another video?

Thanks

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Replicators, replicate !

[quote][cite] nzhopeful3:[/cite]@babcat, @jointhefun

VLC free video player will play those .flv files in windows and linux.[/quote]
Thanks for that info New Zealand hopeful.

I managed to download a copy and get it working.

[quote][cite] zeropointone:[/cite]There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.[/quote]
Why not say openly what you are implying.

Do you think it is a deliberate deception. Do you think the device is an extension of the Czech Dream say, with the connivance of OC and Al?

Do you think Steorn is co-operating in a Borat style documentary together with a cast of extras?

Or do you think Al is fooling himself?

After reading some of the sarcastic and, on the other side, overly optimistic posts, I would suggest that nobody takes this video too seriously. I mean the facts which this short clip demonstrates have been stated in the apropriate threads for some time without much commotion. What this test rig exhibits definitely IS very exctiting and interesting behaviour, yet nobody from the author/creator pair AFAIK makes it more significant than it is - that means not at all.

They're not calling it an OU device, they're not saying it runs forever without any external energy source, no. In fact, they are still as sceptical as they were in the start.

Alsetalokin just wanted to show that he really observes something, and that something is quite intriguing, but nothing more. Even as this, I think it was a very nice present to all people following the OC's MPMM effort and I'm glad that Al has made the video.

But please don't compare this with Steorns bold claims or demand more proofs, because there aren't any claims yet and nothing is to be proven. You can always just ignore all this like you did before and wait for something better documented, independently certified or whatever.

I love the video. Unbelievable.

@/, nicely said. Thanks.

[quote][cite] babcat:[/cite]

In my opinion his device is very significant.

1) It's only utilizing permanent magnets.

2) It's not only staying in motion but ACCELERATING.

I have no reason to believe that he is lying to us and is remotely accelerating the device with an external magnetic field. I think this device is awesome.[/quote]

I agree with you babcat. Assuming OC and Al are not part of a Czech Dream then the device is very significant, indeed "awesome".

As for lying, if it's part of a Czech Dream then the people involved would no more see it as lying than actors in a play see their parts as lying.

It would be really nice to know how long it generally keeps spinning. Wouldn't have to be anything exact, just order of magnitude.

I had a similar device a few months back but I disassembled it because I needed the magnets for the fridge.

Wey hey, well done O.C & alsetalokin, very exciting...Lets party, why is everyone so downbeat?

@grimer- 'Why not say openly what you are implying?'

Frank, I never said the imp was lying. Once upon a time there was the first law of thermodynamics, but most people round here seem to think it's a fairytale, it's only us old timers that still believe in such things, *sigh*. When I was a lad, on any given Saturday night you could expect the total angular momentum of a system to be conserved, and you'd still have change from half a crown.

[quote][cite] zeropointone:[/cite]@grimer- 'Why not say openly what you are implying?'

Frank, I never said the imp was lying. Once upon a time there was the first law of thermodynamics, but most people round here seem to think it's a fairytale, it's only us old timers that still believe in such things, *sigh*. When I was a lad, on any given Saturday night you could expect the total angular momentum of a system to be conserved, and you'd still have change from half a crown.[/quote]
Fair point. One could easily fall into the same trap that the Dutch chappie seemed to over the Kinetica toy and forget the angular momentum in the fields of the small magnets. That would explain why the large disc accelerated when the small magnets were stopped.