Here is a new one that supposedly runs itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0

Edited to add video to correct da word man, and since one like it, left da missed one also.

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0 >

It doesn't look like a fake, does it Frank?

I believe it's the real deal.

No doubt he was sincere but since he obviously had control of the distance between the stator and the rotor since he was altering the distance between them, his hand was probably applying a cyclical movement to the stator.

[quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite]It doesn't look like a fake, does it Frank?

I believe it's the real deal.[/quote]
I wouldn't have expected sarcasm from you, Pinestone.

Grimer:No doubt he was sincere but since he obviously had control of the distance between the stator and the rotor since he was altering the distance between them, his hand was probably applying a cyclical movement to the stator.

If hand movement is only required to get things started, then I don't have any problem with that.

OC the way the stator magnet is attached, Aluminum strap with wood blocks vibration could easily be playing a role in it. If it is real, which it may or may not be, Orbo validation ??? Rotflol
Not sure what the graphite magnet is about yet..

Fake....fake.

Grimer:

pinestone:It doesn't look like a fake, does it Frank?

I believe it's the real deal.

I wouldn't have expected sarcasm from you, Pinestone.

No sarcasm, Frank. I looked at his video many times. His bearing assembly keeps the rotor quite a distance from the support table. There's no cogging, no unusual sounds, and if you listen closley to his voice, he seems as surprised as we are that its running.

What do you think?

nova:Fake....fake.

You're such an asshole Nova. Do you ever leave your chair or house? Have you ever done ANYTHING except talk?

Does your closed mind ever open up to anything you haven't read or been taught?

What makes you think this is faked?

lostcauses10x:OC the way the stator magnet is attached, Aluminum strap with wood blocks vibration could easily be playing a role in it. If it is real, which it may or may not be, Orbo validation ??? Rotflol
Not sure what the graphite magnet is about yet..

Remember a strong magnet can change the polarity of a weaker one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH-I3RAjf4

Regarding fake: It would be much easier to fake this video than Al's.

Regarding changing the polarity of a weak magnet: I seriously doubt it.

overconfident:Regarding fake: It would be much easier to fake this video than Al's.

Regarding changing the polarity of a weak magnet: I seriously doubt it.

It's running too smoothly and consistently to be turned by hand. Did you see anything in the video that could be disguised as an electromagnet? I didn't.

BTW- I changed the polarity of the ferrite magnet in my youtube video. You obviously didn't watch it.

pinestone:It's running too smoothly and consistently to be turned by hand. Did you see anything in the video that could be disguised as an electromagnet? I didn't.

Nope. But there's a lot that video doesn't show very well.

pinestone:BTW- I changed the polarity of the ferrite magnet in my youtube video. You obviously didn't watch it.

I wasn't saying you can't change the polarity, I've done that myself. I was saying I seriously doubt that is being done in the case shown in this video.

The lamp could hold an EM, also the spindle is large enough to hold a motor. It could be faked easy enough. Yet is it???

pinestone Interesting vids. will check them out when i get time.

overconfident:

In my crappy video, you can see the internal magnet being repelled by the external magnet (bounce away).
At a crucial point, the weaker magnet reverses polarity and becomes attracted.

lostcauses10x:The lamp could hold an EM, also the spindle is large enough to hold a motor. It could be faked easy enough. Yet is it???

Yes, I agree. the spindle could hold a battery and a motor. It's certainly large enough.
It would need to be geared down to spin at such a slow speed, and have lots of torque to spin a platter that large with such a great number of magnets on it.
If the lamp had an electromagnet wouldn't it just attract or repel one set of rotor mags?

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Axle I will ask, looks like aluminum to me, LOL
EDITED for
He stated aluminum bar at the first of the video.

pinestone the set up is one pole is in and other pole out. An em would have to pulse to drive it.

[quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite][quote][cite] lostcauses10x:[/cite]OC the way the stator magnet is attached, Aluminum strap with wood blocks vibration could easily be playing a role in it. If it is real, which it may or may not be, Orbo validation ??? Rotflol
Not sure what the graphite magnet is about yet..[/quote]

Remember a strong magnet can change the polarity of a weaker one.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH-I3RAjf4[/url][/quote]

You are assuming that those were magnets. Those could be anything.

True.

[quote][cite] nova:[/cite][quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite][quote][cite] lostcauses10x:[/cite]OC the way the stator magnet is attached, Aluminum strap with wood blocks vibration could easily be playing a role in it. If it is real, which it may or may not be, Orbo validation ??? Rotflol
Not sure what the graphite magnet is about yet..[/quote]

Remember a strong magnet can change the polarity of a weaker one.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH-I3RAjf4[/url][/quote]

You are assuming that those were magnets. Those could be anything.[/quote]

LC, Yes, Aluminum..I watched his other VIDS. He uses 'super glue' [I think] to attach the magnets. I agree Aluminum !!!

There was just one 'angle' when he holds it close to the camera that looked to me like 'galvanized steel'. But after watching his other VIDS I'm convinced it's Aluminum.

Axle

Looked like aluminum to me too. As, for the video being fake, sure, it would be easy to fake. The bearing is massive, and could easily hide motors and a battery. Ditto for the wooden stator support. On the other hand, the inventors voice seems animated by the "Discovery" kind of surprise and excitement that seems real to me. Like with the Whipmag, all we can really do here is speculate, or attempt to replicate. It is really up to the inventor to come forward and prove. Even if it "works", it may turn out to be "powered" by the radio station next door, or a big transformer behind the wall.

It does look impressive, but I don’t see how that simple arrangement would do it. We all know that varying the gaps between magnets or the shape of the magnets makes no difference. Watch the speed picking up at 2:12, right when he says “here we go”. I think he pushes the disk with his finger. He also says “spinning on its own” too many times.

new video - Interesting and novel.

the slotted magnets appear to be some sort part of sensor devices.

Story has holes in it. Not a good sign. Will have to watch this for a time.

[quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite][quote][cite] Grimer:[/cite][quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite]It doesn't look like a fake, does it Frank?

I believe it's the real deal.[/quote]
I wouldn't have expected sarcasm from you, Pinestone. [/quote]

No sarcasm, Frank. I looked at his video many times. His bearing assembly keeps the rotor quite a distance from the support table. There's no cogging, no unusual sounds, and if you listen closely to his voice, he seems as surprised as we are that its running.

What do you think?[/quote]
I would be a fool not to bow to your vastly superior knowledge of this stuff and I am happy to revise my judgement. After all, I do believe in the possibility of getting energy from the gamma-atmosphere, or rather its interaction with some other atmosphere so it is plausible that he has hit on a winning combination of components.

Your arguments seems logical to me. The smoothness of the action brings to mind the smoothness of the Whipmag action in AGR. How does one investigate further I wonder.

[quote][cite] Grimer:[/cite]< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl3XiiqBj0 >[/quote]What's happened. I'm now getting "This video has been removed by the user." Did anyone take a copy?

edit: Panic over. I've just seen that [url=http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61631&page=1#Item_27]bernielomax has a copy[/url]

I'd better grab a copy myself in case it disappears again like Al's.

I think that he recorded the audio on another take, with nothing moving, so that you don't hear him pushing it along. Also, it is just too strange that he shows closeups where you can't see the whole wheel.

His voice has been on another video linked here a while back. I can't remember exactly which video, but interestingly it's not listed in his published videos.

I was taking notice of the whine during the first startup in the video but it seems it was a vehicle outside the building after hearing similar noises throughout.

His device should be easily duplicated. He commented that the magnets are just U shaped and all the same. I took plenty of screen shots so I could see the spacing and number of magnets on the rotor.
Listen closely to the background noise in his second video. It's dead quiet except the times he drags the rotor on the wooden support to stop its rotation.

I'm not totally convinced, but this is either the best 'fake' out there, or it's the real thing. Duplication is the only way to find out.

one more thing-
Remember years ago when this forum first started? Steorn boyz were talking about discovering this phenomenon while servicing a wind-generator. The magnets in most wind-gen's have a curved shape...

I don't see what you are getting so excited about. The linked video shows close ups of a portion of a rotating disk. Would you be similarly excited by close ups of the edge of a children's merry go-round?

[quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite]His device should be easily duplicated. He commented that the magnets are just U shaped and all the same. I took plenty of screen shots so I could see the spacing and number of magnets on the rotor.
Listen closely to the background noise in his second video. It's dead quiet except the times he drags the rotor on the wooden support to stop its rotation.

I'm not totally convinced, but this is either the best 'fake' out there, or it's the real thing. Duplication is the only way to find out.

one more thing-
Remember years ago when this forum first started? Steorn boyz were talking about discovering this phenomenon while servicing a wind-generator. The magnets in most wind-gen's have a curved shape...[/quote]

So that's what it can be used for. Good idea joshs I didn't think you would become a believer.

[quote][cite] pinestone:[/cite]His device should be easily duplicated. He commented that the magnets are just U shaped and all the same. I took plenty of screen shots so I could see the spacing and number of magnets on the rotor.
Listen closely to the background noise in his second video. It's dead quiet except the times he drags the rotor on the wooden support to stop its rotation.

I'm not totally convinced, but this is either the best 'fake' out there, or it's the real thing. Duplication is the only way to find out.

one more thing-
Remember years ago when this forum first started? Steorn boyz were talking about discovering this phenomenon while servicing a wind-generator. The magnets in most wind-gen's have a curved shape...[/quote]A good "Faraday style" visualization of how it works would be this:

The rotor magnets are producing little eddies and the stator magnet is producing a counter eddy and these eddies interact GW or AGW. Presumably the motor has a preferential direction of rotation.

All of you need to write out 100,000,000 times:

MAGNETS DO NOT GENERATE ENERGY

The original vid was pulled (had a shorter stator mag.), and the second vid with a larger stator magnet, the one that earlier had demagnetized (in which he said is now re magnetized.. ) and originally in the wrong pole configuration.

[quote][cite] joshs:[/cite]I don't see what you are getting so excited about. The linked video shows close ups of a portion of a rotating disk. Would you be similarly excited by close ups of the edge of a children's merry go-round?[/quote]

Certainly would if it was being driven by magnets.

[quote][cite] Big Oil Rep:[/cite]All of you need to write out 100,000,000 times:

MAGNETS DO NOT GENERATE ENERGY[/quote]Of course they do. It's just that a way has yet to be found for continuous generation.

joshs:I don't see what you are getting so excited about. The linked video shows close ups of a portion of a rotating disk...

Did you even watch the second video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo

If you don't find this exciting, then why are you even coming to this forum?
Go spread your cynicism somewhere else.

Of course the c magnets were purchased surplus, and they don't have any more.
He goes with the spindle (strange set up for it. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevKJ18pZQQ

Edited..

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevKJ18pZQQ >

[quote][cite] Grimer:[/cite][quote][cite] Big Oil Rep:[/cite]All of you need to write out 100,000,000 times:

MAGNETS DO NOT GENERATE ENERGY[/quote]Of course they do. It's just that a way has yet to be found for continuous generation.[/quote]
Not continuous? So how long do they generate energy for?

joshs is on the level of the dudes who shout "fake! photoshopped!" on youtube vids - it's quite the contribution :3

nah, he's cool sometimes but it's completely superfluous - radical skepticism is just a waste of time.

Cool guys. Thanks a lot for that.

"radical skepticism" - wow, that's a new one. Seems to involve not taking youtube videos that purport to show someone breaking a fundamental physical law at face value?

He's been running it for 11 hours in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ZtSiEHmUU

Magnets may not generate "energy", but if they generate invisible marshmallow cream that can drive a motor, then who the f*ck cares.

On one of the videos (7min 50sec in) he says he has had it running for 27 hours which is four times longer than Al's claim.

With apology to Professor Henry Higgins,

"He's got it, he's got it, I really think he's got it!"

Fecit potentiam in brachio suo,
dispersit superbos mente cordis sui;
deposuit potentes de sede
et exaltavit humiles;

[quote][cite] Big Oil Rep:[/cite][quote][cite] Grimer:[/cite][quote][cite] Big Oil Rep:[/cite]All of you need to write out 100,000,000 times:

MAGNETS DO NOT GENERATE ENERGY[/quote]Of course they do. It's just that a way has yet to be found for continuous generation.[/quote]
Not continuous? So how long do they generate energy for?[/quote]
For the length of time it takes to attract a piece of iron or another magnet to the poles. They don't get their pulled by Mary's pink unicorn.